Comments on: Introducing OpenCellId http://blog.8motions.com/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/ 8Motions news feed, informations about J2memap, and every relevant information to Mobile Mapping applications... Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:09:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: C. Enrique Ortiz http://blog.8motions.com/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/#comment-49461 C. Enrique Ortiz Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:21:10 +0000 http://j2memap.landspurg.net/blog/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/#comment-49461 This is a great initiative Thomas; great to see you are leading this. I am interested in participating/contributing to it... Let me know. ceo This is a great initiative Thomas; great to see you are leading this. I am interested in participating/contributing to it… Let me know.

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]]> By: Alexandre http://blog.8motions.com/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/#comment-47010 Alexandre Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:59:15 +0000 http://j2memap.landspurg.net/blog/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/#comment-47010 For other readers: it works now fine with the new version of 8Motions 0.9.47 on my SonyEricsson W880i. For other readers: it works now fine with the new version of 8Motions 0.9.47 on my SonyEricsson W880i.

]]> By: thomas.landspurg http://blog.8motions.com/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/#comment-46985 thomas.landspurg Tue, 08 Apr 2008 06:58:16 +0000 http://j2memap.landspurg.net/blog/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/#comment-46985 Hello Alexandre, you are right, with what you describe this should work. Which version of 8Motions are you using? Hello Alexandre, you are right, with what you describe this should work. Which version of 8Motions are you using?

]]> By: Alexandre http://blog.8motions.com/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/#comment-46947 Alexandre Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:23:23 +0000 http://j2memap.landspurg.net/blog/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/#comment-46947 Final comment: as far as I know, with this System.getProperty(”com.sonyericsson.net.cellid”) and related commands, one can get Cell ID informations since Java platform JP-7 generation (K550, K610, K770, K790, K800, K810, S500, T650, W380, W580, W610, W660, W710, W830, W850, W880, Z310, Z610, Z710) and over, such as JP-8 (K630, K660, K850, V640, W890, W910, Z750, etc.). This has already quite a large market penetration. I have tested myself this feature positivelly on a W880i and a K810i, which are not that new. Location API (JSR 179) is only supported since JP-8 generation. Final comment: as far as I know, with this System.getProperty(”com.sonyericsson.net.cellid”) and related commands, one can get Cell ID informations since Java platform JP-7 generation (K550, K610, K770, K790, K800, K810, S500, T650, W380, W580, W610, W660, W710, W830, W850, W880, Z310, Z610, Z710) and over, such as JP-8 (K630, K660, K850, V640, W890, W910, Z750, etc.).

This has already quite a large market penetration. I have tested myself this feature positivelly on a W880i and a K810i, which are not that new.

Location API (JSR 179) is only supported since JP-8 generation.

]]> By: Alexandre http://blog.8motions.com/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/#comment-46944 Alexandre Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:50:41 +0000 http://j2memap.landspurg.net/blog/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/#comment-46944 For the record, here is the documentation for the system properties I referred to: "Developers' Guidelines Java ME CLDC (MIDP 2)" (page 72) http://developer.sonyericsson.com/site/global/docstools/java/p_java.jsp Direct link: http://developer.sonyericsson.com/getDocument.do?docId=65067 I got this info from http://www.ottaky.com/k800i.php a while ago. For the record, here is the documentation for the system properties I referred to:
“Developers’ Guidelines Java ME CLDC (MIDP 2)” (page 72)
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/site/global/docstools/java/p_java.jsp
Direct link: http://developer.sonyericsson.com/getDocument.do?docId=65067

I got this info from http://www.ottaky.com/k800i.php a while ago.

]]> By: Alexandre http://blog.8motions.com/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/#comment-46940 Alexandre Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:29:12 +0000 http://j2memap.landspurg.net/blog/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/#comment-46940 Hi again, My Bluetooth GPS is a Transystem i-Blue747 data logger, and is correctly detected by your J2ME Map and 8Motions. My telephone is a SonyEricsson W880i, and it does provide CellID data, but the API javax.microedition.location does not seem supported. However, in JavaME, something like System.getProperty("com.sonyericsson.net.cellid") does the job (similar commands for mcc, mnc, lac, ...). It works for instance very well with Google Map mobile "my position" (blue dot). So every criteria should be matched. Isn't it? Hi again,
My Bluetooth GPS is a Transystem i-Blue747 data logger, and is correctly detected by your J2ME Map and 8Motions.

My telephone is a SonyEricsson W880i, and it does provide CellID data, but the API javax.microedition.location does not seem supported.

However, in JavaME, something like System.getProperty(”com.sonyericsson.net.cellid”) does the job (similar commands for mcc, mnc, lac, …).
It works for instance very well with Google Map mobile “my position” (blue dot).

So every criteria should be matched. Isn’t it?

]]> By: thomas.landspurg http://blog.8motions.com/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/#comment-46934 thomas.landspurg Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:31:38 +0000 http://j2memap.landspurg.net/blog/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/#comment-46934 Yes, there are two condition to use 8Motions to automatically upload data: - the progam need to access to GPS data, internal (like an N95) or external through bluetooth - the program need to access to CellID data. Only latest SonyEricsson and some Motorola provides this information So you need these to condition to automatically upload cell data. The way upload are done, is the following: cell id information+gps location are added when map tiles are requested to the server (to reduce interaction with the server) in a transparent way... You don't need to set up any option for this. So Alexandre, what is your handset? Yes, there are two condition to use 8Motions to automatically upload data:

- the progam need to access to GPS data, internal (like an N95) or external through bluetooth

- the program need to access to CellID data. Only latest SonyEricsson and some Motorola provides this information

So you need these to condition to automatically upload cell data. The way upload are done, is the following: cell id information+gps location are added when map tiles are requested to the server (to reduce interaction with the server) in a transparent way…
You don’t need to set up any option for this.

So Alexandre, what is your handset?

]]> By: Alexandre http://blog.8motions.com/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/#comment-46929 Alexandre Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:52:47 +0000 http://j2memap.landspurg.net/blog/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/#comment-46929 Hello Thomas and thanks for your quick answer. I understand that 8Motions’ application does not have feedback yet, but remains my first question: is it possible to use 8Motions’ Java application as a client to upload measurements (automatically?) to the OpenCellID database? If yes, how (option to check...)? I have tried to play around with 8Motions program, but no new cell appear on http://www.opencellid.org/cell/list or http://www.opencellid.org/cell/map (The two cells I have added by hand did appear fine). Hello Thomas and thanks for your quick answer.
I understand that 8Motions’ application does not have feedback yet, but remains my first question: is it possible to use 8Motions’ Java application as a client to upload measurements (automatically?) to the OpenCellID database?
If yes, how (option to check…)? I have tried to play around with 8Motions program, but no new cell appear on http://www.opencellid.org/cell/list or http://www.opencellid.org/cell/map
(The two cells I have added by hand did appear fine).

]]> By: thomas.landspurg http://blog.8motions.com/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/#comment-46922 thomas.landspurg Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:37:16 +0000 http://j2memap.landspurg.net/blog/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/#comment-46922 Hello Alexandre, There is no feedback yet, but the first thing to be added will be a "Mapz" (an overlay) displaying the current cells around your area. Next step is to better integrate the discovery of the cells with 8Motions. In the meantime, you can go to http://www.opencellid.org and check the cells map. It should display the latest found cells Hello Alexandre,

There is no feedback yet, but the first thing to be added will be a “Mapz” (an overlay) displaying the current cells around your area.

Next step is to better integrate the discovery of the cells with 8Motions.

In the meantime, you can go to http://www.opencellid.org and check the cells map. It should display the latest found cells

]]> By: Alexandre http://blog.8motions.com/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/#comment-46920 Alexandre Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:11:56 +0000 http://j2memap.landspurg.net/blog/2008/04/03/introducing-opencellid/#comment-46920 Hi, Good initiative! I am trying to contribute by using 8Motions' application on my SonyEricsson W880i (which does expose the needed cellID infos) and Bluetooth GPS (which works), but I am not sure that the application sends any information back to opencellid.org server: nothing appear in on the cells map, while the cell I have sent by hand has been added (measure 30555). Is there an option to choose somewhere? Is there any feedback when it does so? I take the chance to suggest adding access to the CellID infos from the 8Motions' application, when they are available. Hi,
Good initiative!

I am trying to contribute by using 8Motions’ application on my SonyEricsson W880i (which does expose the needed cellID infos) and Bluetooth GPS (which works), but I am not sure that the application sends any information back to opencellid.org server: nothing appear in on the cells map, while the cell I have sent by hand has been added (measure 30555). Is there an option to choose somewhere? Is there any feedback when it does so?

I take the chance to suggest adding access to the CellID infos from the 8Motions’ application, when they are available.

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